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  • Poker Affiliate Payment Processing - Time For A Change

    December 5th, 2007 by Jeremy Enke

    As many of you know, I am probably one of the most optimistic and positive affiliates around. However over the past year, one thing has really been bothering me. It’s that poker affiliates really do not get treated like the business people we are from many of the rooms.

    CurrencyA prime example of this, and one that has been complained about in multiple forums is payment processing. Getting paid for being marketing agents (which essentially is what we are) should not be that difficult. Likewise, requiring us to open up players accounts at rooms is absolutely ridiculous. I should be able to market a poker site without having to have a players account. I know many people may say, “What’s the big deal?”

    Well for starters, there are many rooms that happily take U.S. affiliates, but then have no real way to pay us. Oh, wait, we can open up a foreign bank account to have the money wired too! And then from there wire it to our U.S. account.

    I lost a fair chunk of money at Paradise when they moved platforms. The money was in my players account for months (that I couldn’t withdraw) and then POOF, my players account disappeared. The only way for me to get paid was if I opened up a foreign bank account……No thanks.

    Furthermore, I am a business person, not a poker player. In a post UIGEA environment, it is understandable that there may be issues with processing PLAYERS money both in and out. So stop putting us affiliates in the same category!

    The affiliate departments at every room are branches of the overall marketing departments. Therefore affiliates need to be treated like every other person or company the marketing department deals with. Here’s an example to put things into perspective. If one of these rooms bought an advertisement in Bluff or CardPlayer, would they make them open a players account in order to get paid? Fu** no they wouldn’t. They’d cut a check or send a wire, just like they do for every other payment the marketing department makes.

    I know affiliates who receive 100K+ per month into players accounts. This is just retarded. So the question becomes, is there a solution?

    Yes, I think there is. The problem right now is that there is no universal processor like Neteller. It brings tears to my eyes thinking of the convenience when we were able to cash out affiliate revenue SAME DAY to a debit card or ACH transfer. Likewise it was a convenient Ewallet, where we could move all of our affiliate money too.

    Affiliate SpeedpayAs many of you know, I was in California last week. One of my meetings out there was with some of the people from AffiliateSpeedpay. Our industry needs a product like this. Having 97 different ways to get paid, and having to jump through hoops at the beginning of each month is ridiculous. If all the major poker sites would simply pay us via Affiliate Speedpay, our lives as poker affiliates would be much easier.

    Operators however are not going to voluntarily come together and adapt to a product like this unless WE as affiliates push for it. I am taking this initiative on, and you guys are going to hear a lot more about this product in the coming months.

    Likewise there are going to be some fairly large changes in my professional life, which I’m sure you will all hear about as well. :)

    9 Responses to “Poker Affiliate Payment Processing - Time For A Change”

    1. Graham Says:

      Ok I’ll bite… what are these changes?

      I completely agree about the payment crap though. Check payments should be a STANDARD feature of all affiliate account. I hate to think of the countless dollars that I have just gambled away because I got frustrated trying to get it out of a players account.

    2. Mark Says:

      Good point Graham. I have pissed a way too much money to count myself just because I couldn’t cash out.

      Neteller was such a great solution for U.S. affiliates before they were shut down.

      More important though is the point that affiliate accounts and player accounts should be totally separate.

    3. Randy Says:

      All good points Jeremy. It’s been far too long since we had a good universal processor like neteller.

      Funny you mentioned paradise. I STILL have money in my affiliate account there and very few options to actually get it. Not near as much as you, but still..

      I can’t wait to hear what you’re up too.. Give us some hints bro!

    4. Big Fish Poker Club Blog Says:

      I suggested Affiliate SpeedPay a long time ago on PAW…we need more solutions like this for sure.

      I can’t believe some poker rooms still pay us to the CARD ROOM PLAYER’S ACCOUNT - why do we have to play to get pay????

    5. anyone926 Says:

      good post.
      I really hate the player account payments.Easy for me to lose money.Hard for me to get the earnings.
      We are business men.Not Real Players.

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    7. Roger Says:

      I was hoping this is what you were discussing in California. It’s gone beyond a hassle with many sites only being able to send out a certain amount per month via checks and wires. That leads to backpayments and all sorts of crappyness that has to be tracked.

      From companies I’ve talked to, they’re all waiting to see how others like using ASP before they jump on. I don’t see why, it seems like the perfect solution?

      P.S. - Why can’t Neteller do something like this? Only allow incoming transactions from poker sites not to poker sites?

    8. Randy Says:

      You make a good point about neteller Rodger, but I would imagine they don’t want to do anything that would jeopardize their business again. They probably have something in the settlement agreement to that effect also..

    9. Kendall Says:

      My question about affiliate speed pay is that if you open an account with them does that mean you have a foreign bank account?

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